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In business you're either driving change or on the receiving end of someone else’s.
In this podcast series Jenelle McMaster digs deep into the mindset of leaders and individuals who harness the transformative power of change to unleash the new, the next and the unthinkable.
Through story and conversation we'll uncover unique ideas and insights to help you become the type of leader who makes sure change happens.
Season 5
![Lisa Paul](https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/en_au/podcast/ey-lisa-paul.png)
Lisa Paul AO PSM
Chair, Australian Government Department of Education, Skills and Employment (DESE)
![Mundanara Bayles AFHEA MAICD](https://assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/en_au/podcast/ey-jess-morrison-20210920.jpg)
Jessica Morrison
Gold Medallist in the Women's Four Rowing, 2021 Tokyo Olympic Games
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